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  1. lunastone
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    25 September 2021 in reply to blondguy

    Hi, paul,

    ya, we are like our own country. The fact that domestic family can't even see each other for over 2 yrs is just sad. A year ago, we didn't have the vaccine but now have it and yet in the same situation. If i remember correctly, WA border was closed up until Dec last year. Then only opens on and off throughout this year. 5 months max?! Now completely shut to NSW and Vic. Not so much being a country anymore. If we are buying time to get the vax rate up, then be it. But i am not seeing that message getting across in WA. We are competing last in the vax rate with QLD. And you know the common thread between the two states. Hospitals still cannot cope without covid and we have like 20 months to get this right. We shouldn't have surplus at all. Big crowd events, AFL and the royal show. We are just waiting for another lockdown and should i say a punishment for those who don't want to participate this kind of 'free' lifestyle?

    Well, my feeling for covid varies with different perspectives. I was really scare/stress of it last year. But now, we have the vaccine, seeing hospitalisation rate dropping in high vax countries, i no longer scare. I know that it isn't a silver bullet but the protection rate is very good. My perspective is that everything in life has a risk. It is low risk enough if we have the vaccine. I'm worried about my close oversea family, who is in hospital for a treatment. Even though she is fully vaccinated, the risk of getting severe illness from covid is high under the circumstance. Hospital is stretched there so it becomes my worried factor. Another family member got tested positive (fully vaccinated). He wouldn't have known that if he wasn't tested through the work routine testing. He was told to go into isolation until a negative test. The rest of the household tested negative. If such case is recorded and reported, maybe we could see it in a different perspective that it might not be that scary once we are vaccinated?

    @hanna: i totally agree. There are groups of people who need to be protected. But at the moment, i feel that it has lost its balance for those who just want to move on with their life. I am not sure what more we could do other than vaxed and move on (i'm not supporting of a freedom day). We can't forever wait for those who don't want the vax.

    hope everyone has a nice weekend. i need to get out the house for a walk. xx

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  2. Sleepy21
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    25 September 2021 in reply to lunastone
    Hi all, how are u holding up? Rallies around Melbourne and a lot of noise about this stuff. I'm glad I can come here on bb and here on this thread to speak to and support and be around this nice community
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  3. lunastone
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    30 September 2021 in reply to Sleepy21

    Hi, sleepy,

    thanks for asking. Well, nothing to look forward to. Just doom and gloom. I also have no idea what's going on in the last two months. Too many things in my mind. My old work place was messing my head. I wasn't polite when they indicated that they might want me back.....oh wait until their next few in line candidates said no for the job. You know, i have been grieving for the last 8 months about my career that i spent 10 yrs building up. They gave me hope of a come back and then took it away over and over again.....

    Just want my life back. 2 yrs of it being put on hold. I can't even think of when we could go and see oversea family again. Well, my friend is on the same boat even within australia. I can tell you. People are getting very depressed about it all. Just finished watching Norman Swan video. We will see the cost of lockdown in the years to come......diagnosis for cancer delayed. young kids with mental health issues etc....

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  4. ecomama
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    2 October 2021 in reply to lunastone

    Hello all

    I wanted to touch base in light of our NSW Premier's resignation. What a blow to hear from my family that there appears to be corruption at foot there. Not surprising but I'm pretty dirty about a woman in power doing this, being just the same as others, I guess stuff will or won't come out about it!

    So around me lots of ppl are pretty much thumbing their noses at all the regulations.

    It's all nuts.

    Talk later, we're moving steel beams around in our garden now!

    Take care everyone!

    Love EMxxxx

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  5. lunastone
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    3 October 2021 in reply to ecomama

    Hi, EM,

    what were you doing with the steel beams in the garden? Hope you got whater you needed to do with the garden done today.

    Ya, I heard about the resignation. I was never interested in politics until covid as it is directly affecting my life. I must say I might be the minority here. I came ot like Glady for her trial and error covid response. In fact, she is giving so much hope for people moving/looking forward than the gloom and doom that is feeding us here in WA. Now we have the vaccine, there is no excuse to hold us back. Nothing has been done other than shutting the border here in WA. We have plenty of supply so our dear leader has a lot to answer for with our lowest vax rate in the country. Yes, i don't want to open up when our vax rate is low but there is no encouragement to get rate up. In honestly, people have lost 2 yrs of our life. And time is critical for some elderly family members. Those life matter life. The last two days, i was just very angry with the fight back of our premier on re-opening. Threaten to shut NT, Tas out if they open to Vic and NSW. When do we become our own country?! My partner wants to take me out of town for a holiday as i have been so depressed and sad. I'm not keen. Upon checking, none of the accomodations are willing to give refund if there is a spontaneous lockdown. I understand that businesses dont want to lose money but i've to think twice as it is hard earned money. So yes, for now, i don't want to be here and it could come after i come back from the holiday. This makes me wonder who wants to go on holiday locally if that's the case? Now i understand why some local businesses and people want the border close to have that certainty. But we can't live like this forever. Look at Europe, life is normal as it is once the vax rate is high. So go and fix up the hospital than trumpeting our surplus.

    Anyway, yes, it is shocking to hear about the corruption charges. But i personally would give it a doubt until she is proven guilty. We shall see.....

  6. lunastone
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    3 October 2021
    @golden: are you still here ? Wave! @moon: i hope you are holding up in QLD. Sigh....when will we move forward? I miss my family so much. My siblings have gone home due to family emergency. Here i am, locked in WA. And yes, I'm vaxed. all my family are vaxed. happy to do quarantine. testing etc. The only thing i can't do is leaving for 3 months. Please...someone out there let us sign a petition to tell the govt that it is inhuman to separate family for this long. And we have done everything being told.
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  7. Bananie1234
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    3 October 2021 in reply to lunastone

    hi everyone,

    Looking at cases in victoria, it certainly is the true definition of why multiple lockdowns do not work. 1000+ cases with much tougher lockdowns than nsw. But i'm certainly enjoying the slight ease of restrictions in melbourne and i can't wait for lockdown to be over. I'm super glad that a surge in cases have not tightened restriction even more but the state government is really following the road map so i feel like there's light at the other end of the tunnel.

    i do however, don't know how i feel about the protests. I guess i see mandatory vaccination as part of the job. maybe cos i'm a healthcare professional, we always have to have up to date vaccination records and that list gets updated regularly. I guess we need to normalise this and just see this vaccine as any vaccination. it's like kids having to get mandatory vaccinations before going into childcare right? sometimes you need to prove certain things eg a police check for a job. But i also believe in pro-choice so i'm torn. However, if your job requires you to be in contact with vulnerable people i think it's fair to be asked to get it. in terms of tradies, i really don't know. i guess if they followed the covid rules at their workspace, maybe the government wouldnt have forced this upon them. we all had to follow covid rules at our workspace if it means not being able to use the tea room.

    I'm really upset with the protests. in the beginning i can resonate with them as we are all tired of lockdowns but now I just find it hard to accept it. I'm upset that some of these people are attacking healthcare workers who are just doing their job. They were spitting on them forcing the vaccination hub to be closed for a few days which then pushes back our date to re-open. I'm upset that these protests stopped our ambos from getting into the city when people's lives are at stake. I'm upset that these protests delayed deliveries of urgent life-saving medications to hospitals. As a healthcare worker, I can't accept this. you can protest all you want but don't disrupt other people's lives.

    i just don't know what to feel anymore.

  8. ecomama
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    3 October 2021 in reply to lunastone

    Hey luna, hi everyone else too,

    I hope you're all doing okay, doesn't seem so! Sending lots of loving energy to you all.

    Steel beams? lol just more junk left behind by demon (exH). I decided to use them to mark out an internal fence I intend to build for the proposed cabin's path and garden. BUT we moved the 2nd beam over and there was a massive Blue Tongued Lizard sitting there! What a darling. We raced to get our dog away. Then left the beams until we get more muscle to help, wow are they HEAVY!
    Always so much for me to do here. Now beginning the actual planning of the cabin build, I'll be even busier!

    Re: everything going on outside my 4 fences & immediate family...

    Worrying about all that is way WAY above my pay grade.

    The ONE consistent and persistent emotion I heard in all my recent conversations with anyone outside my family has been anger.
    I can't subscribe to it.
    I'm going low / no contact with all these ppl now.

    I've had a wonderful Counsellor for about 5y, she's helped me alot.

    Why worry and worry and worry endlessly over things well outside our control?
    As the Dalai Lama said (sic) "Worrying is like rocking in a rocking chair, you're doing something but it's not getting you anywhere"... I agree.

    Whatever my situation is right now, it just HELPS when I'm focussing on what I CAN do. Nothing else.
    It's possible to suffer from 'compassion fatigue' and I'm sure it's the same with endless stress & worry.

    My Fiance lives in the U.S.
    At the onset of this pandemic I had skyrocketing anxiety and was formally diagnosed with Complex PTSD from all sorts soon afterwards.
    I sought treatment, worked very hard and still work hard to hold on to any MH gains I've made.

    My aim is to be ONE of the people who are "okay" as we return back to work on site etc.

    Btw it's fine to be angry, it's a perfectly normal human emotion!
    I validate anyone's anger at the situation, the pandemic, their own situations.
    Though it can only last x long before anger does some hard core damage to us, not just mentally but it converts into physical illnesses too.
    If anger isn't motivating us to improve our lives and outcomes, it's pretty useless holding on to it IMO.

    Just not worth it.

    Take care everyone.
    Hope you can all find moments of peace, calm and beauty in your day!
    Love EMxxxx

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  9. Weaponsofmassdisstortion
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    17 October 2021 in reply to lunastone
    I feel like the first six months were an emergency, we had no idea what we were dealing with. But now it seems like we are just trying to placate people running around like headless chickens. I think the whole vaxx passports are an overreach. They say we will be out of lockdown by the end of the month, but I have my doubts. Remember when it was "2 weeks to flatten the curve" or remember the tracking app"if you want to get out and play download the app today", so yeah I really hope that this lockdown will end. But I have a feeling the government are just going to keep moving the goal posts. Anyway, I hope everyone is doing okay, and sorry for getting a bit too political.
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    17 October 2021 in reply to Weaponsofmassdisstortion

    Good point with the politics W

    Dont forget the last pandemic was in 1918...and they didnt have a vaccine

    and we dont have a manual on how do deal with this.....

    good on you for being a part of the forum family...I hear you loud and clear


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  11. Sleepy21
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    18 October 2021 in reply to Weaponsofmassdisstortion

    Hi all,

    We have been let out of ld early, curious to see how others feel about this all.

    I wouldn't have even known, aside for a chatty a neighbour....which is always weird. To think you could wake up tomorrow and have a whole new set of rules, and if Ur a bit isolated like me, u wouldn't even know. I ask please if ppl disagree not to tell me off, I choose not to follow the news 5o stay sane, so sometimes I am a bit behind . Much care to all

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  12. lunastone
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    19 October 2021 in reply to Bananie1234

    @benanie: wave. i wanted to reply but didn't get a chance. it will be a long post so will save it for another day as i should get some sleep.

    @W: everything is politic. Every state has its own rules. :( And i am getting very impatience with our dear WA premier who refuses to make a road map out. Goal post shifting all the time with a vague percentage of Vax rate. QLD just released the roadmap today. It seems pretty conservative but at least it is something. I hope peer pressure will get WA moving forward just a little. I don't even want to call it a leader. More like follower who just wait and see what others are doing.

    I personally would like a date because it is counter productive atm. He is protecting the people who don't want the vax and continue to punish the people who gets the vax and who just want to move on. There is no excuse of not getting the jab as we have plenty of stock now in WA. I am so angry....A local who i met told me that she wants the border close because she and her husband want to wait for novavax. They are 70+ so is high risk and yet they dont' want any mRNA or viral vector vaccine BUT novavax. First world problem hey. The dinner convo got heated up with another friend few days ago. She also wants the border close because life is good fly in and fly out for the job in mining. She is not yet vaccinated and doesn't want it. If covid gets into the mine site, then the operation would have to shut, it will affect the economy in WA. I explained to her that we are just delaying the inevitible. Plus, shut down is optional. It is the policy that prevents it to operate. We don't shut down a factory over a flu case, do we? That's why vaccination is important so no one gets super sick. Europe must have figured all these out?! I feel like sometime it is people own responsibility to take care of their own health. Now we have the vaccine that can prevent death, people don't want it (freedom of choice) then fine. Their own choice. Holding us all back just to protect the unvaxed is making me very angry. I wanted to cry the other day when i was on the phone with my family......2 yrs is a very long time. And it will go on longer with our premier who refuses to make any plan to rejoin the world. If anything, the mental toll on people is yrs to be paid.

  13. ecomama
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    19 October 2021 in reply to Sleepy21

    Hey Sleepy and a wave to everyone,

    It's sanity-saving not watching the News constantly, I support your decision 100%. In fact it's exactly what I did over a year ago. Keeping whatever MH gains I've made is my major goal.

    I agree with W, it's same same, no 'leaders' knowing what they're doing, so yes "headless chickens" indeed lol, great analogy.

    Aaaand the one constant in so many people is anger.

    Pure waste of my energy and I won't subscribe. Constant anger creates physical ill health, let alone eroding our well-being. Nup. Not doing it.

    Apparently we had our "Freedom day" - what a ridiculous term. You can feel the depression in the community, it's tangible.

    Our family is doing well. We keep our focus tight, within what we CAN do.

    Hope you can all create peaceful moments in your day,
    Love EMxxxx

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  14. Bananie1234
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    19 October 2021 in reply to lunastone

    Hi @lunastone,

    100% agree with you.
    i honestly don’t see why the rest of us need to suffer to protect those who refused to get vaccinated. It’s not like they’re looking out for us either. (Of course I’m putting those who can’t get it aside).
    i think it’s the end date that people want to see. Ever since Victoria announced the roadmap (with rough dates) i felt like there’s an end of the tunnel, i can see the light and now we can’t wait till Friday 😊

    Hope you are feeling better xx

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  15. Hanna3
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    20 October 2021 in reply to Bananie1234

    Hi everyone

    All due respect to the opinions here but we have to protect the people who haven't yet been fully vaccinated but want to be - because obtaining vaccines was done too late by the govt and the vaccines take weeks to months in the case of astra zeneca between shots and people aren't sufficiently protected during this time. So part of the problem at the moment is that many people still haven't been sufficiently vaccinated. Also there's about a two week lag from 2nd shot to optimum immunity.

    And then we have to protect the hospital system because as the unvaccinated - and unfortunately a few fully vaccinated - people get sick they can overwhelm he hospitals.

    And yes I think people who don't get vaccinated when they should have to understand they run a very real risk of getting very seriously ill. They also pass on the virus more readily to others than people who have been vaccinated.

    I think it's just difficult for everyone. I'd hate to be making the decisions on public health issues these days it must be a tough gig!

    Things where I live now are starting to get a bit easier thankfully!

  16. lunastone
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    @bananie: about your previous post on protest and vaccination, i haven't had a chance to reply. I agree with you that the protest in melbourne was a bit....There was no good reason to attack health care workers etc. Well, it also got me thinking about the whole mandatory vaccine idea. It is difficult to comprehend. I don't like the idea of mandatory as Aus is certainly going into the direction of totaritarian. As we have seen, once the govt gets the power, they wouldn't let go. In the meantime, i want the community to be protected as much as possible. Yes, i think about my kid who can't be vaccinated just yet. However, i have decided to put that conflict feeling aside as too much on my plate right now. I'm jabbed to protect myself and people around me.

    @moonstruck: i see your post on the main thread. Wave! i hope you are well. Perhaps the consolation for QLD is that your dear premier actually sets a date and roadmap to live with covid. WA has NO plan. It really frustrates me and some of my friends who haven't seen our family for 2 yrs. and it seems like it will go on for another 6 months? We have a vague percentage and somehow it is OK to disagree on the national plan to use 12+ as a milestone. Today, we are rolling out booster. Seriously? What's the use of the vaccine if we are just going to keep the virus out indefinitely? Even the epidemologist said that NSW and Vic are doing it right. Max the vax efficiency when opening up. We all would get it eventually in the next 5 yrs. Just face it...can't keep the scare campaign going on. It is not a rocket science to project a date based on the first shot coverage as of today. They need to give incentive to ppl who have been jabbed. Let's them see the family. Have some compassion. Bring on the test. Let's move on! A plan is what i am asking. We can't hold out people's life for the ones who dont' want to get jabbed. Yes, i understand that there would be double jabbed old people with underlying conditions who could still die. You know what? I know a few, including my parents. They know how to protect themselves. Common sense as they told me. In a country like the US where there is no restrictions, the old people i know are now triple jabbed and are still very cautious. Don't we always hear that you are the one responsible for your own health? And I would keep my kid home if the virus goes rampant and a concern to me. Again, the world has moved on.........we have to think about the mental health of ppl.

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  17. HamSolo01
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    10 November 2021 in reply to Hanna3

    G'day all

    I do hope we have seen the end of this oandemic and that life will start up again

    Thanks to all who have shared on here through successive lockdowns.

    I do hope your lives go forward from here

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  18. Moonstruck
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    10 November 2021 in reply to HamSolo01


    Once Qld reaches 80% vaccinations.....people can go anywhere, do anything pretty much....Yay!

    But not everyone. Our Premier Anna is punishing those who are not vaccinated, by not allowing them into....cafes, restaurants, bars, cinemas, theatres, sports stadiums, museums, art galleries, Theme Parks..etc...they will also be banned from visiting hospitals and aged care homes..{ If their mother, or perhaps their little boy or girl are sick...sorry, can't visit them)...they can only go to necessary places like supermarkets for food and other necessary shopping.

    If a wedding includes people who are not vaccinated, the guest list is limited to 20. Otherwise you can have as many guests as you like.

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  19. lunastone
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    14 November 2021 in reply to Moonstruck

    @moon: I had such a high hope early this year. Trying to be optimistic that this year was going to be better. Covid has divided the society more than ever. I'm not pro-vaccine mandate but it in fact saves life (no, we can't save everyone just like every other disease). So am not sure what to think of the mandate. I'm vaccinated so perhaps it is the reason that i don't feel strongly other than worrying about my child who can't be vaccinated just yet.

    As for your statement, I am actually feeling the opposite atm. QLD premier has done the unexpected given her hard stand on covid zero strategy. WA is adopting a strategy that's punishing the vaxed and protecting the unvaxed. A group of us rushed out to get the vaccine back in June with the hope that we could all move forward, be ready when the virus leaked in and could see family for christmas for people with family interstate. It turned out that a group of my friends, who dragged their feet with the idea that there was no virus here, were making the right decision to get the vaccine more recently. Because by the time WA is projected to open in late jan/early feb, we (early jabber) are needing our booster. if anything, it would have been the worst time to open up when the virus is actually here and the majority of us would have waned immunity and children are not vaccinated. Swift approach like Vic and NSW is certainly working better to maximise the vaccine efficiency while letting the virus circulates. The goal has always been minimizing the hospitalisation not the cure. Ha...and WA only just planned to have 200+ bed ready in Aug 2022?! I hope the pandemic would be over by then! I feel sorry that the vaxed are being punished for missing out the xmas with interstate family yet another year. I would also like to be proved wrong that we could actually reach 90% 12+ here. There are always ppl who don't want it. If anything, my partner pointed out that even with the vaccine, we are actually going to have more restrictions next year with the WA road map than during the peak of the pandemic in 2019. European countries (like Denmark) did lift some restrictions as the vax rate goes up. Here, we have more, not less. It gets me angry to see the WA ad, 'if you want to travel, get the jab', such a lie. I have lost trust in our govt. Sure, i don't disagree that there would always ppl who can't vaccinated due to medical. But it is the same with other illness. Time to move on and be responsible for yourself.

  20. lunastone
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    14 November 2021
    @ham : thanks for popping back in here. I'm not sure where you are. If eastern states, I hope you are doing better now that lockdown is easing. Yes, i can only hope for the better.
  21. Moonstruck
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    21 November 2021 in reply to lunastone

    lunastone....I have stopped posting on here, as well as the other Coronovirus one...as I always seem to be shouted down and clearly in the minority...or maybe those who share my opinion have also given up expressing themselves.

    Yes just for the record I am double dosed but wondering just how long the segregation when Qld borders open on December 17 can last. with those not vaccinated not allowed to go to cafes, restaurants, bars, theatres, sports stadiums etc...in other words all the places that let life be enjoyed. Will it end in violence? How long can a government suppress a people before things turn ugly?

    Will we ever be "one Australia" again? What a farce that beautiful song sounds like today "I am, you are, we are Australian"......not it seems, if you are unvaccinated!

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  22. 0ldDog
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    21 November 2021 in reply to lunastone


    Personally the lockdowns never bothered me because I generally only go out once a fortnight to do my shopping. That said, I have friends over east and feel for them, because there is a huge difference between choosing not to go out and not being allowed out.

    I was adamant that I would not accept the AZ vaccine more on principle becuase ScoMo was pushing AZ so hard, I figured he had been promised a seat on the AZ board after he retired, which I hope will be sooner rather than later. Our government managed to blow an opportunity with Pfizer earlier this year and give more people a choice and being over 60, I wasn’t impressed to discover that I had just two choices, take AZ or leave it.

    I got vaccinated when my choices increased but only because I didn’t want to pass covid to others…how dumb was I. Being vaccinate means a person can reduce the likelihood of ending up in intensive care or worse but can still catch covid and transmit it to others without realising they have it, so I’m still trying to get my head around restrictions. In the UK, I am told that you can test positive but your family can still continue as normal and go to work, etc. I find that laughable.

    Mother Nature occasionally tries to level the playing field and restore a balance but mankind keeps finding ways to short-circuit her attempts. 

    We talk about climate change, when we should be talking about this being a climate for change!

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  23. lunastone
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    23 November 2021 in reply to Moonstruck

    @moon: i hope you didn't take it the wrong way in my last post. You are not alone. I also posted less here and don't even bother on the main thread anymore. I pop in once in a while just to check how everyone is doing. We are seeing unrest all over the world. It is kinda depressing. I wish covid hasn't had happened.....

    @olddog: welcome to the thread. I understand your issue. Principle becomes our worst enermy sometime. I know a lot of 60+ won't take AZ and only take pfizer after they became eligible. Got lucky that we have never had an outbreak in WA. Now, we have 3 choices of vaccine. We still have people who want the 4th choice. My neighbour insisted of having sinovac. When that isn't available, they are waiting for novavax. Finally, they gave in and made an appt to jab with pfizer last week but cancelled in the end when the clinic couldn't fulfill their special request. They didn't want to be injected on the arm. They read something on the internet....I honestly don't know where they get so much misinformation on pfizer. Scientifically, it is one of the best you could get. They are actually 70+ so getting covid would be worse for them than having the jab to be honest. In my book, we are lucky to have the jab. My family and friends oversea were desperate to get their hand on one many months ago when the outbreak started there. No one even cared what's on offer as long as they could get a jab.

    Ya, you mentioned about climate change and population. This reminded me a conversation that i had back in 2019 with a taxi driver on my way to the airport. World is overpopulated and needs to balance it out for combating climate change. Not exactly the wording but you get the idea. Then, covid happens.....feel like we are at a different kind of war and didn't even think they could happen with a random convo....

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  24. Moonstruck
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    23 November 2021 in reply to lunastone


    Dear lunastone...no worries at all. No misunderstanding...I know how you feel about things and you've always accepted how I feel too. I wonder what happened to Tangney...who always understood me too....best of luck with coming through all this madness.

    Something has been destroyed in our country..{ certainly in our state of Q) that I fear will never be repaired. Instead of uniting us all as one...some of our powerful State leaders are determined to divide us...Why? Because they can!

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  25. Unbeliever
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    268 posts
    23 November 2021 in reply to Tangney

    I've been ghosting this thread for quite some time. However, I am aware that when I am going through a period of "impatience" with other people that it is often best if I keep to myself as I will inevitably say something that will upset someone.

    This is something that I have trained myself to be reluctant to do as it is unfair for people to suffer from my own flawed state of mind. Unfortunately when I am like this I find it difficult to be gentle or patient with others and this state can remain constant for several months, if not longer.

    Misinformation combined with Covid appears to have been a terrible combination for me in this regard. I am constantly reading things that set my teeth on edge, instinctively writing out a tirade in response, then having to delete it because I recognise that I am being way too harsh and ungenerous. Wash and repeat this cycle endlessly.

    I recognise that most people cannot or are simply unwilling to research as heavily as I do, nor are able to successfully decipher between fact and fiction especially when they are overwhelmed with sheer amounts of contradictory information. Plus there are certain topics that have been determined to be "unsavory" even in a country as free as Australia and in places like this one. Which I do understand in principle, but in the long run serves only to muddy the waters even further and confuse people or make them feel unheard, excluded, or even forcefully gagged.

    Which is certainly not a good thing in terms of "unification".

    Regardless, I have read many things on this thread that are simply not accurate or being perceived from entirely the wrong angle.

    That is not to say that how people FEEL is somehow wrong because it is not and is personal to them. But simply that sometimes the reasons why come from a place of lack of understanding of a situation or why things have happened the way that they have.

    Look throughout history at occurrences of pandemic outbreaks. You know what they all have in common? They were all "bad times" in recorded history. Regardless of whether they were handled well or terribly. Regardless of if authorities did everything perfectly or mismanaged every single aspect. They were still not times that the majority of people who lived through them ever "looked back on fondly".

    The other thing in common is that they ALWAYS lasted for YEARS. Never months or a single year but YEARS before things stablised and that there were always inevitable repercussions afterwards.

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  26. 0ldDog
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    23 November 2021 in reply to Unbeliever

    I’m not sure if my post triggered yours Tangney but if it did I apologise. Don’t stress as this is my final BB post.

    I do try to consider and also spend much time deliberating and re-editing before posting. I too have my own issues, including the frustration of trying (and often failing) to ensure I have provided the necessary context when communicating.

    I agree, deciphering fact from fiction, fantasy from reality, even when we don’t have conditions that hamper our cognitive abilities and anger management issues, can be a real challenge. Unfortunately, we seem to have less time nowadays, especially not enough for the vast majority of us to deep dive every scrap of information, confirm its source, validity and legitimacy.

    I like to think that on occasion, controversy can be a positive thing and actually promote conversation. Not every heated conversation ends with fisticuffs.

    I believe that through conversation and open dialog we can learn from one another, gain a greater understanding of our similarities and differences, share knowledge, exchange and promote great ideas and support others with their endeavours, maybe even quash a few rumours, which often arise when there is an information vacuum.

    I too am sure that people did not look back fondly on the events you alluded to. I would however hope that the significance of such events would not be wasted, but rather make us plan and prepare for the future. To continue on without doing so would mean mankind has failed to learn a lesson. That should apply to more than just covid.

    I am no expert, nor do I portray myself as being one. My views are simply my own, based on my experiences over my lifetime.

    In the past, when my views have frustrated or have been contrary to those held by others, I have suggested they offer arguments to help convince me otherwise. Even this jaded broken old dog tries to keep an open mind. Telling me that I am wrong without offering any convincing arguments or evidence doesn’t work for me and I imagine it wouldn’t for you.



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  27. Ryan2021
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    24 November 2021

    This whole pandemic has changed me significantly. I was on top.of the world and happy before it all began. Just got together with an amazing girl when I was overseas. We knew long distance would be hard but we were going to make it work. We had plans in place for a big year in 2020 only to have them all kicked to the curb by covid. We kept fighting, I worked hard to try and reunite.

    Being on Facebook groups and seeing people separated from their kids, husbands, parents. All trying to get back together whilst trying so hard to be with your partner yourself. It slowly ate away at me. Applying to leave the country for 3+ months only to be rejected because "it's for the safety of the country" give me a spell... people LEAVING the country is absolutely no risk to Australia's safety.

    The relationship ended along with a big part of myself.

    Now the politicians forcing people to take the jab in order to keep their jobs, it doesn't sit well with me. All I have seen of politicians is that they lie and make promises they don't keep and can't be trusted yet people seem to suddenly think they care and it is for our safety?

    I got covid myself, I fought it and I am still here and was lucky enough to get a medical exemption for 6 months meaning I can keep working and living a normal life. Not being segregated like the governments seem to want. I am not anti Vax at all, people want it and think it will save them? Great they can get it. People don't want it put in their body or want to wait and see the long term results? Then they should be allowed to as well. I believe people should have a choice to take it without being judged by others. I hate seeing Australians being separated. We have been taught about racism, sexual orientation, treat everyone equally. Now suddenly it's ok to discriminate due to a medical choice? This goes against all we are taught.

    So my 6 month exemption feels more like being told I have 6 months of life left. I can work, I am trying to save money for whatever will follow. But I feel down and shitty seeing what the world has become and don't know if I will want to continue after my 6 months is up. I might try run overseas if I can get out and enjoy myself. But knowing I can't work and have a life when I return, well that could be a tough time to deal with.

    Sure I could go get the jab, but I'd rather go out knowing I didn't roll over to whatever the government is up to.

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  28. Unbeliever
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    24 November 2021 in reply to Unbeliever

    1) My point above is that pandemics ARE inherently depressing things to go through without exception. "Civil Liberty Limitations" are admittedly depressing... no-one likes to be told what they can and can't do.

    But so is the option of allowing pandemics to mass infect and run their natural course unimpeded. Lots of people get sick, or hospitalised or die. Hospitals get overwhelmed, medical staff work ridiculous hours and eventually start (understandably) breaking down and as a result people also start dying from non-pandemic related things simply due to this continuous and long term strain on systems.

    The fear in the general population becomes more commonplace as this situation continues for months leading to years as does guilt for many in the community who accidentally infected someone they care about that unexpectedly resulted in their deaths... which they more likely than not will have to live with for the rest of their lives. This is unfortunately the reality of far too many people overseas who found this out the hard way.

    Not seeing loved ones for a year or more sucks. But in those inevitable rare cases of accidentally being the direct cause of their death is inarguably a much worse thing to suffer.

    All these things combined is obviously also an extremely depressing situation to go through... one which Australia has so far avoided overall so far.

    2) Regardless of how a pandemic is handled there is always inevitable widespread resulting trauma in the aftermath that has ongoing consequences for years after "things return to normal". Again, regardless of the path taken to handle it. This is just an unavoidable part of having to go through a pandemic.

    3) There is no "quick path to freedom" during a pandemic. These things take years. They ALWAYS take years, Anyone who thought things were "going back to normal" in 2021 were (no offense) living in a fantasyland. 2022 was always the absolute bare minimum if we were very lucky... and this was already obvious all the way back in March of 2020 with even minimal research thanks to historical records of past pandemic outbreaks.

    Heavy restrictions or an unrestricted "free for all". It would have still taken us years to reach the other side either way... the only significant difference being the "price" we would have to pay for the path we chose to take being very different.

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  29. Hanna3
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    24 November 2021 in reply to Unbeliever

    Hi Unbeliever

    Thanks so much for writing this! What a relief it is to read it.

    There's a good article and discussion on The Guardian online today about people who won't have vaccinations for covid.

    I'm in the situation where a friend who is early 70s unvaccinated has invited me to her home and I must refuse because I am fully vaccinated but can still be carrying the virus and give it to her, and while I am pretty well protected from serious illness, she could get very sick or die from it if I unknowingly infect her.

    She will probably be offended when I decline her invitation but it's because I fear I may pass on covid to her.

    Thank you for a great post!

    Cheers and welcome by the way 🙂

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  30. Unbeliever
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    268 posts
    24 November 2021 in reply to Unbeliever
    1) No living government has ever experienced dealing with a situation like this. Mistakes are not only unavoidable, but are to be expected. Because there was never any "perfect solution" anyway. Even now our government can't feel 100% confident that any action they are about to take will yield beneficial results or won't have undesirable consequences.

    We should understand that this has never been a straightforward situation where "the path out" is obvious and clear. Every choice they make has serious consequences and their decisions will literally alter which people are going to die as a direct result no matter what they decide to do.

    Not a situation any of us would like to be in or should envy.

    It is easy to point fingers or say "what should be done" when none of us have to carry the burden of every single death that happens as result of what we did or didn't do being put directly on our own shoulders.

    2) The vaccines are a method of giving us more options and the ability to take more risks with restricted severe consequences to "test the waters", but they are not "the solution".

    It was previously hoped that by controlling infection rates Covid might "go away"... but the world population refused to knuckle down for long enough. So now, we have a situation where we can choose to live in a bubble until the end of time or for every single one of us to inevitably be exposed to Covid (and any future mutated variants) likely repeatedly from this point on.

    Which is bad news for the immune compromised.

    Which is just 1 reason why "Plan A" was originally what we were aiming for. Because "Plan B" (which is what we are preparing for right now) has some potentially serious long term implications that will likely change everything. Some reasonably predictable... others less so.
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