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Topic: Broken heart that I can’t heal after divorce

  1. Lauz22
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    15 September 2020

    Hi all,

    I am 27 and am going through a divorce from my partners of 10 years, 3 of those years we were married.

    We met at the age of 17 and I have been codependent on him ever since.

    Our relationship was extreme in both good and bad. He is someone like no other. His love was so strong and pure but he was very controlling and selfish.
    Our relationship revolved around his wants and needs in life. He made all the big decisions, never saw me as an equal, had an extremely narrow mind of how we had to live our lives and forced me to do as he saw fit.

    We had a wonderful, meaningful relationship before we got married.
    But our marriage was toxic and abusive.
    We were both wrong in our ways. We were verbally, emotionally and physically abusive towards each other.

    It got so bad, that my mental health deteriorated and effected my physical heath.

    I begged him to go to marriage counselling and he refused. Instead he got angry and lashed out as he usually does.

    I saw no way out so I begged for a divorce. At first he refused and wanted to work things out. But I was at rock bottom I saw no way out and was suicidal at the thought of continuing our toxic marriage.

    One day he picked up his belongings and walked out the house. That was the end.

    I have spent this entire year in therapy to work through my feelings and to fix the problem.

    I have gone from feeling suicidal in the marriage to now desperately wanting him back.

    I feel I have worked on myself and grown. And that know what I need to do to change for a better relationship.
    I have wrote heartfelt emails apologising, going in depth of the faults in me and the relationship and that if we both worked on ourselves and the relationship we could possibly make it work.

    He has made comments such as

    A part of him has died to let me go.
    I am tainted and would rather have 5 failed relationships than be with me.
    He no longer loves me.

    It’s been 9 months and he has contacted lawyers regarding our divorce.

    His love for me was second to none. He loved me unconditionally at my worst. I never in a million years thought he would give up his love on me.

    I am struggling to accept it and am in denial that the relationship is over.

    I truly believe no one will love me the way he did.

    I am holding on to hope that one day he will come back to me and we could work things out.

    I feel lost and empty all the time.
    I feel my life has no purpose without him.

    I feel I have nothing and am hopeless that there is no point of living without him.

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  2. white knight
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    15 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Hi, welcome

    Thankypu for a detailed post. I really understand.

    I've had 4 long term relationships all over 7 years, the latest and the best, my second wife if 8 years. I've also got a history of suicidal thoughts and one attempt.

    So I think I can comment on your situation. Your heartache is something I've experienced many times.

    The one thing I'm convince with is that you can find love again and be lived as much if not more, more because of the absence of any abuse. It is understandable at this point in time that you don't feel this is possible.

    So, moving forward is the issue. Moving forward in baby steps requires slowly letting go of your attachment to him and the good memories you frequent. How do you do this?

    1. Distraction. Hobbies sports, expanding socially.
    2. Dating. Yes dating, it will lift your self esteem and you'll see how diverse other guys are, how interesting they can be and how differently they treat you.
    3. Self help.

    Google-

    Beyondblue topic the best praise you'll ever get

    Beyondblue topic guilt the tormentor

    Beyondblue topic meditation, he helped me for 25 years- Maharaji

    You only need to read the first postvifceach if the above. They can help enormously.

    Professional help is great but the days in between appointments need to be filled with other sources.

    I'm here most evenings and other might drop by. Feel free to comment on those threads or expand further.

    Well done in writing in.

    TonyWK
  3. Lauz22
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    16 September 2020 in reply to white knight

    Thank you for your reply and advice Tony.
    I am sorry to hear of your heartaches and suicidal thoughts and attempt. I truly hope you are in a healthier and happier mindset.


    Heartache is pain like no other.
    I have never experience a broken heart, nor did I ever in a million years think I would have my heart broken the way it is now.
    Hence not knowing how to deal with it.


    You are right, the days between appointments can be lonely and painful.
    In this environment of lockdown, I am heavily restricted to what I can do to assist with my headache.


    I often spend this time reading, meditating, journaling to heal but it seems a long and emotionally tiring journey.


    I have read your posts and I am able to relate and sympathise with some of your experiences. Thank you for sharing.


    Right now I fear the future as I have very little faith or confidence that it will hold happiness and love.
    I often feel I have lost someone who’s love for me was in my eyes, the greatest love a human could give to another.

    Will that love ever return?

  4. white knight
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    17 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Hi Lauz

    Will the love return? Yes.

    In 1983 I split with my first real love after 7 years. I worshipped the ground she walked. It was my decision and it was agonizing. A few months later I bumped into her and we chatted. All the reasons why I left her flooded back to me, things like procrastination, and how our priorities differed.

    20 years later I was working in her area and dropped by. I was living with another lady so no desire to reignite any relationship. There again those differences were clear. 6 years later, having split from my partner I again dropped by this long lost love. Could it be a miracle we could fall in love again?

    This time in 2008 we dated a few times. I then came to the conclusion it could never be possible, that the fantasy with hope was just that, the reality was -it wasn't meant to be.

    Lauz, we often say to each other on this forum "be gentle to yourself". I also say to you, be fair and realistic. Your ability to feel such depths of love is a gift you can provide to a more compatible partner as much as you won't want to hear that.

    You are grieving now. It is a sad process but it will pass. It will.

    TonyWK
  5. Lauz22
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    19 September 2020 in reply to white knight

    Thank you Tony.

    I have this feeling that the love I shared with my ex is the strongest love ever to exist.
    I truly believe no other love on the planet comes close.

    When you say you worshiped the grounds she walked, did you feel the same way? That nothing else compares or no one else could ever give you the love you had?

    I am really struggling to let go. It feels like death. It feels like if I let go, I will die on the inside, he will die and the love we had will die.
    It terrifies me to think I will never have his love again. It feels like I am experience a slow death over and over.

    i keep thinking he will change his mind. I truly believe I know him enough to know he is acting out of pain and fear. To protect himself. And he would rather live a mediocre life of safety than risk getting his heart broken with me again.

    Even though he has arranged a lawyer and made it so clear he will never return to me, my heart longs for him. I genuinely believe our love will return and one day he will come back to me.

    Please help. It feels like a slow painful death.

  6. Sophie_M
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    19 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Hey Lauz22,

    Thanks for reaching out to the forums today to share how you've been feeling. We'd like to join Tony in welcoming you here, and we're so sorry to hear about your recent break-up. We can hear that this must be a really painful time for you, and we understand that after your partner being a part of your life for so long it must be a huge change for you to cope with. But please know that you don't have to go through this alone, and support is always here for you.

    If you feel up to it, please also know that our Support Service is always here for you 24/7 on 1300 22 4636 or you can also reach out through online chat (3pm-midnight AEST) here: www.beyondblue.org.au/getsupport One of the friendly counsellors will be able to talk through these feelings with you can can offer some extra support, as well as advice and referrals to help you through this really tough time.

    We hope you're feeling a little better since you posted, and we hope you keep us updated on how you're going, whenever you feel ready.
  7. white knight
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    20 September 2020 in reply to Sophie_M
    To answer your question-yes. When I've separated from one of my 3 past long term partners I've had that devastated hollow heart pain of which you describe.

    The problem you have at the moment, is you are struggling with realism and understandably so as you are in a grief period.

    It isn't healthy to remain in this grief for too long. What you are feeling is normal for you because you have deep love in your make up. However, ask around how friends have coped and for how long before they've been able to take some baby steps forward.

    When some of us are not realistic we can introduce other feelings like obsessions and ignoring the negatives. Remember that happened to me until I met up again with my first love and all the memories of her negatives flooded back.

    Time perhaps for you to embrace your deep loving heart as a gift but to contain it realistically, control it as it is ruling your mind and that is causing distress.

    Speaking from experience you will find love again and just as deep as with this man. It will be different.

    That's being positive and realistic.

    Sophie_M has good advice also for your well being.

    How are you feeling today and after this advice?

    TonyWK
  8. Lauz22
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    20 September 2020 in reply to white knight

    Hi Tony,

    Thanks for your advice.

    I agree that I am not being realistic and reasonable. That I am letting my heart and it’s desires consume my entire life to the point where I am not in a very good place.

    After really understanding my faults, I feel extremely guilty and have blamed myself so much for ruining the best thing I had in my life.

    I believe it’s mostly my fault that I ruined the marriage. Due to my mental and emotional instability. Or my demons I have in my mind that I projected onto my husband.
    I never made him feel loved because I didn’t love myself and couldn’t accept love for myself.

    All this has driven him away. I hate myself so much.
    I am finding it hard to forgive myself and to let go of the only person who loves me in this world.

    Is it normal to feel that you’d rather not have anyone unless it’s them?

    Is it normal to feel that you don’t deserve love?

  9. white knight
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    20 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Hi Lauz,

    Thankyou for being so honest, a breath of fresh air.

    Emotional and mental instability has no "fault". No different to someone being lame and not being able to run.

    Worry causes ulcers and guilt causes torment- neither solves anything.

    There seems some serious self esteem issues to jump Lauz, which a therapist can help.

    "Is it normal to feel that you’d rather not have anyone unless it’s them?
    Is it normal to feel that you don’t deserve love"

    Being in live can be so strong it enters the obsession stage. No wonder you find it difficult to move on. No feeling worthy of being lived sounds like another reason for therapy.

    Google

    Beyondblue topic worry worry worry

    Beyondblue topic guilt the tormentors

    TonyWK

  10. randomx
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    20 September 2020 in reply to white knight

    Hi lauz

    So what were you really thinking when you begged for divorce all that time ? And do you think about the bads as well now , feeling also the way you do about his love,? Do you think he might've been different if you'd been different , it sounds like you had many issues too .

    All things l still wonder about the greatest love of my life and just to Tony , l was really surprised you checked back with her through life like that over such a long time spand. l said when we broke up she will think about us forever , the rest of her days , and l will too. But there's someone new now and l often think this love will reach the same depths , only it;ll happen sensibly , grow to that over time , not in an explosion form like ex happened .

    For some reason with reading around , it seems very common that the most powerful of loves are often toxic and don't survive , Our seemed to be toxic l'd guess you would call it and really if our 4yrs was any sign then there is no way in hell we could've worked anyway. We had th most intensely mindblowing highs , yet the equivalent in explosions too. We had a 3 wk cycle , l'm still not sure if sh was bpd , but all the traits were there. But she also sounds so much like your ex too lauz , so black and white , so her way or the hwy , and in many ways so me me me , yet with the most intensest of love l've even seen and so why l know she will think about us for life , as l will myself .

    in many ways it strange being with soone else now , how do you find that tony , although it's been decades for you yet only a few yrs for me so l suppose it's a different thing. my partner now is just the most incredible loving lovable person l've probably ever known , But the only issues is that it has come along a bit soon . Yet reading yours tony , l don't know if anytime , 10 yrs , still would be a bit soon.

    Sorry lauz gotta sign off here l'll drop back when l can. rx .

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  11. Lauz22
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    21 September 2020 in reply to randomx

    Tony - I definitely am facing a battle with my self esteem.
    I’ve struggled with it my whole life. Mainly because I grew up in a household where my parents didn’t express love or emotions and I was often bullied at school or work. I’ve always been told I’m not good enough every stage and aspect in my life.

    All these are reasons why I feel I’m undeserving of love. I don’t love myself nor was I ready to accept unconditional love by my husband. Therefore ruining the relationship.

    I have been in therapy a lot but it seems a slow journey. May have to get my psychologist to really dive deep.

    randomx - the reasons for my divorce was because I was unhappy. At the time I thought it was him causing all my unhappiness but it was both parts.

    At the time we had communication issues, he didn’t listen to me and spoke over me or made decisions without me. All those reasons I left me feeling he didn’t care.

    I don’t often think about the bad - just obsessing over the good and not wanting to accept to let it go.

    Yes I do believe if I reacted differently he would be different. I blame myself so much for this.

    I was defensive and distant toward him. Concerned about how he could make me happier and not about how I could help my own problems. He got exhausted and left. He says I made him feel second best, never reassured him with my love and never good enough.

    and it’s because I never felt good enough and second best that I projected this onto him.

    I agree with your statements about toxic love.

    It somewhat feels like a drug - although I don’t take drugs and have anything to compare to, I see myself as an addict. When you get a hit, it is so high and nothing compares. It’s magical, invincible and nothing else matters.

    But when things broke down which it often did through a cycle, it was vile, destructive and abusive.

    When we broke down, I had nothing to fall back onto. He was my EVERYTHING so when things went wrong it was like the world came crashing down on me and I was left with nothing. As this happened every few weeks, it slowly chipped at my mental and physical health. Self harm thoughts, suicidal thoughts, physical abuse, high blood pressure etc

    I still can’t let go of the highs we had. I am somewhat addicted to the highs and refuse to let go. I will change my entire world to have what we had again one day.

    I’m facing an extremely tough battle.

    Thank you both for writing in

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  12. Jsua
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    21 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22

    Hi Lauz22's.

    I just want to say that you are very strong for reaching out for support especially in these tough times. You're not alone, as I am in very similar situation (not married) where fights are and increasing and becoming more in-depth. It's quite ironic how the situation pans out and remorse builds up with no end in sight. That is when we need to pull away and come up with a solution. Couple get so deep into their issues that they forget about loving each other and then before you know it, the life you once lived is no longer. You can still be with him. By doing this would mean doing what you are already doing - focusing on making you the best version of yourself. Unfortunately, when you gave him the end, he may still love you, he might feel like you have abandoned him and left to be in a state of vulnerability. When he see how much you have changed, he may come back. Think about how you both first met, what attracted him to you. Get that spark back. You can do it!

  13. Jsua
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    21 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22

    I'd like to add to this:

    "randomx - the reasons for my divorce was because I was unhappy. At the time I thought it was him causing all my unhappiness but it was both parts."

    Spot on! This is exactly it. What happens is one partner (or both) projects their behavior onto the other or will subconsciously blame and resent them. What happens with children who don't get what they want - they may sulk or become upset. We need to not be unhealthy in a way where were are not only damaging ourselves but damaging the people and their feels, their emotions and their care needs.

    Other than that, anything can be turned around. Sky is the limit.

  14. Lauz22
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    21 September 2020 in reply to Jsua

    Thanks for support jsua

    Yes, in unhealthy relationships we project our insecurities and unhappiness onto the other. I was subconsciously doing this.

    It would be something you need to be aware of and really dive in deep to fix before it comes to an end! I hope you are able to do this in your relationship.

    As I never worked on myself, I never understood that I had faults. It was easier to shift blame. I did this repeatedly that he now resents me.

    I have offered the world at his feet. That I have grown, will continue to grow, love him openly and unconditionally for who he is, make peace with his family I didn’t get along with and more.
    His words ‘I don’t want you in my future. I don’t want to be with someone who made me feel that way for so long’

    He says I have somewhat traumatised him with my emotional neglect and how I kept pushing him for ‘better’ or ‘happier’

    It crushes me. I still try to win him back but he keeps repeating comments along those lines. He has gotten a lawyer involved and so badly wants me out of his life.
    Without him I am broken. I am so scared. The nights are so lonely and I feel I die inside every night knowing I have lost him.

  15. white knight
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    21 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Lots of interesting comments here.

    To summarize- we are talking about the pain of separation following a deep and loving relationship.

    So this is my 4th long term relationship. Each time after about 4-6 months of grief I've then started wondering what another woman would be like to date. The arguments could be far less, her consideration for me more obvious and general compatibility something I'd love.

    Holding onto love, prolongs grief. For some like myself I have a survival ideology- see, I know that no human being deserves that much idolizing as to effect my mental well being.

    Love can sometimes only be replaced by another love. Consider that!.

    Grief- that process is different for everyone. There is little others can do.

    TonyWK
  16. randomx
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    23 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22

    Hi lauz.

    But what about his happiness weren't you concerned about making him happier too ? just wondering and asking but it's a very complicated scenario so l'm not picking at all that was just one thing that come to mind as l read is all.

    TBH , l really don't see much of undoing things with him , there's so many things just all wrong and that's usually just a bit of everything . Both have faults and issues yeah but also just your general effect on each other and chemistry just push all the wrong buttons too and set off our issues even more so, rather than help . l still think about my ex all the time and wonder the shoulda coulda's . l tried many different things and ways with her, US , nothing helped for long our ways just collided. The way someone treats you , their ideas, the way they love, think they're loving , all kinds of little and big intricacies effect you both very deeply when the chemistry is just plane all wrong. lt's like you just can't treat each other in the way you both need, so you just set each others bad stuff off.

    l tried so many things, l was never really sure with her if she did the same in return, or ever even acknowledged things if even only to herself . And l made many many mistakes too and l'm sure whatever way l could find in treating her and just being us, for her , must've just been all just wrong, just not pushing the right buttons , worse, the opposite of right buttons, and she did with me too. With you two , it sounds like there was so much of that too just going against grain. So yeah you had some deep deep problems but in his ways , they were probably made worse and probably vice versa . This use to happen with US. And every time we were enjoying an even keel again or beautiful highs , the tiniest thing would set off the crap again.

    l really don't think by the sounds of your marriage , even if you could give it another go and that's is always worth trying with a marriage especially but what either can manage change or improve is another thing. You know with the right person 3/4 of it all just goes away , doesn't even exist , as with my partner now. No ex stuff even happens, it just doesn't. We're just at home and comfortable, easy , she just makes me feel and gives me what l need and l know l do her too. Maybe he was just all wrong for you, and you him.

    rx

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  17. Lauz22
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    24 September 2020 in reply to white knight

    Hi Tony,

    Grief is most certainly different for all.

    Maybe because this is my first heartbreak I don’t fully understand.

    Currently my mind set is that I do not want to let go, I want to hold on to hope and that I do not want another love unless it is his. It is painful but I am not sure how to let go, nor do I want to.

    I have realised our love was toxic - with a drug effect.

    I have never done drugs however I can see the similarities.
    Being fed his love was a drug that I was solely dependant on to give me a high.

    when we fought or I didn’t receive his love, my behaviour was erratic, abusive and destructive.

    I feel like I am not just experiencing a heartbreak but almost as though I am recovering from an addiction that I heavily and solely relied on for 10 years.
    The pain is excruciating.

    Thank you for your insight of your heartache recovery. It gives me more of an understanding of what I am going through.

  18. Lauz22
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    24 September 2020 in reply to randomx
    Hi rx,

    I see your points you have made.
    It is in fact a very complicated situation.

    At the time I didn’t see the full picture that I needed to make him happy. It is something I am deeply guilty of.
    I was selfish with emotions. I only protected my emotions and had little care for his.

    I have realised my emotional unavailability and abuse has stemmed from my childhood where my father treated me the same way. Was told I was not good enough, manipulated, shift blamed and abused. Not only did it damage my development but it instilled in my behaviours and has ultimately ruined my marriage. I am at fault and I feel miserable.
    I want to change to become a better person, in hopes I can fix my marriage.

    I have no interest in another relationship. I am not ready. I feel I only owe it to my ex to make it up to him.
    Although he is refusing another chance. I hate myself for the ways I am, the wrongs I made. So much so that I don’t want to live without him.

    It seems love isn’t enough for successful and healthy relationships.
    That there needs to be compatibility, respect and boundaries.
    You may find these factors easily within others and therefore will not need to work as much to ‘make it work’.
    But the heart wants what it wants.

    Is being in a new relationship helping you ease the pain of the your past?
    Do you feel it now makes sense why things have worked out the way it has?

    Thanks,
    Lauz
  19. randomx
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    24 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22

    Hi lauz.

    l was divorced to before that. l spent 4yrs on my own after that , l wanted to heal and find me again. She was a whole new mind blowing thing l never thought l would ever find or even want again. l didn't believe in divorce so anything re;ationship just seemed worthless later , like if marriage means so little then what's the point.

    But , then l met her and we were in exactly the same place and time and frame after both divorcing . Tbh , again l didn't think l would ever bother again when we didn't work out and l didn't go looking for a replacement or someone to calm the waters , l just accidentally met my partner now . While l was no where near ready either tbh but l explained to her where l was and that l was still very emotional but she was understanding and patient . No doubt about it we were different to me n ex but oddly they were actually a lot alike and we also just clicked really well too, incredibly really , considering once again l thought nope l'm done my lucks dry for sure now but yet , met her, and we wanted exactly the sam things and again were in around the same place in life, who would've thought,.

    But it's also been hard regardless bc l've wondered 100 times can l love two people, do you love two people , or do you just be alone, love what didn't work out and so you won't have or what ? My answer was well, what didn't work out was oil and water it just wouldn't mix do l spend rest of my day wishing it did and waste this incredible opportunity ?

    Well , she was way way way too good to pass up and yeah it has helped no end only because it is real though and l've got no doubt she could overtake anything ex in the end , she's already started to too, But the love of two people thing is still confusing for me and l just hope l've done the right thing because no doubt ex and l would've reconnected again down th track , problem is l'd guarantee it'd just blow to shyt again later though, alwats did, hard to change oil and water.

    Sorry but that's about as clearer answer as l can manage.

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  20. white knight
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    24 September 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Hi Lauz

    I feel your pain in your words.

    They say "nothing in excess can be good for you". Do you think your level of "in love" has been/is excessive?.

    As a person with bipolar, I live in a world of excesses- mood swings, impulsivity, depression and mania. Some have gambling and other addictions. In many cases professional intervention is needed to curb behaviour so we can fit into the rim of normality.

    I think you know all this, as well as the logical, that you need therapy of some description to assist you the overcome such level of obsession. Of course it could be simply love? But as it is absorbing you to high levels I'm concerned.

    I hope you don't mind my recommendations to read threads.

    Beyondblue topic guilt the tormentor

    Beyondblue topic who cries over spilt milk?

    Beyondblue topic saving yourself from doom

    Beyondblue topic mars and Venus the conversation between us

    I always see positives in everything. Being so loving and monogamous is a beautiful way to be. "the higher you climb the further you fall" however. Hence the thread fortress of survival where you learn to defend yourself against other people or even yourself- is vital for continuing through life.

    I don't mind continuing the chat. I'm here every evening. I hope you feel comfortable

    TonyWK
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  21. Lauz22
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    4 October 2020 in reply to randomx
    Hi rx,

    I completely understand what you are saying. these questions are never easy to answer.

    I think you put it perfectly that mixing oil and water will never work no matter how hard you try.
    It’s unfortunate as sometimes the one you love isn’t meant to be. Or that love isn’t enough in a successful relationship. That there are many other factors such as compatibility, mutual respect, communication and boundaries.

    As you said, some may just happen to find the one that they naturally mix better with.
    Although this doesn’t make my reality any less devastating.
    I see more now how my ex and I were not compatible. Completely different people but completely in love at one stage. It worked well when we were you and live was not so difficult.

    What do you mean that you and your ex would of crossed paths again?

    I very much think my ex and I will in the future as well... I am somewhat hanging onto this to get me through. Although it seems it will be a damaging concept.

    How do you deal with the old good memories and knowing your ex is out of your life?

    I hope you are happier with your current relationship and have made some peace with your past.

    Thanks for writing in!
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  22. Lauz22
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    4 October 2020 in reply to white knight

    Hi Tony,


    Nice to hear from you again.
    I have been absent as I had been at the height of my heartbreak and struggling to get by my days.


    Correct - excessive behaviour in any form can be damaging.
    I can indemnify myself with this type of behaviour. As stated previously it is some what of an addicted behaviour I hold when it comes to his love.


    What are some things you have done to help with this type of behaviour? (Only if you feel comfortable answering)


    I have requested to dive deeper with my psychologist. I also ended up being prescribed a very low dosage of anti depressants for the first time in my life. It has helped me stabilise my emotions so I am able to carry on with my days. I hope with extra self work that I can come off them and reach a point where I am strong and independent enough to heal and deal with life post heartbreak.

    I still have some intense thoughts and emotions when I have flashes of my heartbreak. I really struggle dealing with and accepting the loss.
    I miss the good times so much it hurts. The thoughts of him never being there again can be unbearable...

    As I am still in denial, I feel we can make it work and it doesn’t have to be this way. whereas he is pushing to end it. It’s hard to shake these emotions and thoughts.

    ‘The further you climb, the harder you fall’
    Absolutely! I have never heard that yet I relate so much to this!

    As always, I truly appreciate your posts! They help so much and I am grateful!

    Hope to speak to you soon

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  23. white knight
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    4 October 2020 in reply to Lauz22
    Hi Lauz

    As you guessed, I've had in the past issues with obsession, dwelling on issues/people/events and finding action that helped me move on hasn't been easy.

    By far new exciting projects and keeping busy has been my answer. Post splitting with my first wife, becoming a part time dad as well time my heart apart. For 2 months I was a lost soul then found that block of land. Also, although I did not want another relationship, I ploughed on and forced myself to either date ladies or simply meet for coffee. The result was distraction and that helped a lot.

    The problem with obsession (for want of a better word) is that the remedy is limited to actions that isn't rocket science. There is a lack of a magic potion. The options I've listed would be hard to implement, forcing yourself to swim against the love tide.

    Effectively this also means advice is limited. Once you have the insight and the suggestions, the rest is basically hard work. Such difficulty has no easy road but...self preservation is very important. To care for your well being, you'll have to do things you might not feel comfortable doing.

    Most people don't understand what you are enduring. I do, this love is designing you, but there is much more to you than this.
    Your nature is testing you. You can't change your nature. But you can follow logic.

    Google

    Beyondblue topic the frog and the scorpion

    TonyWK

  24. Lauz22
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    6 October 2020 in reply to white knight
    Hi Tony,

    Thanks for the answers.
    Everything you have mentioned makes lots of sense.
    Heartbreak and healing is different for everyone. One thing that I am certain of to heal is to commit to the healing process. Often this will be difficult, a challenge, being put in new and uncomfortable situations etc.
    I'm starting to feel this is how we learn about ourselves and grow.
    For the first time I am really getting to know myself and have an understanding of my nature, my conditioning, my behaviour and thought patterns. It has been painful but a journey of growth which I am grateful for.

    Going through a divorce just before lockdown in Melbourne has been a tough situation but almost a great environment to sit with my thoughts and emotions to really figure it all out.

    I have come to a point where I am slowly forgiving, being kinder to myself and embracing my flaws, my nature and who I am. I think this is important for us to love ourselves before we love others. To accept love and give love back.

    Speak soon
  25. Juliet_84
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    6 October 2020 in reply to Lauz22

    Hi Lauz22,

    Like you I was in an abusive relationship from a young age, and he was also the love of my life. Abusive relationships are a complex thing that a lot of people don’t understand, how can you love someone that could treat you this way, and how could someone who loves you treat you this way they wonder. But abusive relationships are often co-dependent for both people, we love the “love bombing” from the abusive person that elevates us and makes us feel seen and that no one else will ever love us in the same way, and they love having someone who is dependent on them and also our empathetic nature, which attracts us to them in the first place. Realistically you will find someone again, that’s what we are all designed to do, and you will find someone who loves you. But you may need to be prepared that it will be in a different way, it will be in a much more subtle but more stable way. He will love you by caring about your feelings not just when it suits you, by asking for your opinions and advice on things, by respecting your boundaries, including in arguments, and not wanting to make you feel depressed and as though you are losing your mind. Heartbreak is deceptive, it glosses over your bad times with that person and makes you feel as though you’ll never have someone like them. But you need to remind yourself of the bad moments, the moments he was screaming at you or disrespecting you, frightening you, don’t do yourself a disservice by forgetting those. Otherwise you may end up back in a situation that you quickly realize was not meant for you. I hope I haven’t spoken to harshly or said anything that hurts you, I’m just hoping to provide you some clarity

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  26. white knight
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    6 October 2020 in reply to Juliet_84
    So relevant Juliet.

    I'm glad Lauz that you are developing insight to your natural character. This growing stage might be overdue and often isn't thought about as we spend our times with partners.

    I have no expectations in other following the course I have for such growth. In 1988 a friend gave me some cassette tapes of Prem Rawat Maharaji, he has many YouTube videos and is really a motivator to assist in soul searching.

    My favourites are- sunset, acceptance and the perfect instrument.

    Regardless of how you go about it, it can be the most beautiful experience.

    I think you are on the right course.

    TonyWK
  27. randomx
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    7 October 2020 in reply to Lauz22

    Hiya lauz. Being alone with my thoughts was my way too although it might not be your chosen one l guess , was mine though and a must for me. Though l think for me it could be for 20yrs but l'd still be asking myself about that oil and water.

    l just mean l know it's not done , l still feel her and l can feel her feeling me . We always could and l know we still are and we'll talk again.

    And thanks for the kind thoughts too , l hope the future for you too . And you know what , at times l am happier and at times there is a peace but even moreso there is a calm. It's an incredible calm you feel with someonee where things do just mix .

    Tony's right btw , l'll vouch for that , most people can't understand it just like they don't that l can't forget ex and just kick it all to the curb. At the time l joined a relationship forum hoping for some kind of l don't know. 40,000 people in that forum but you know what , l soon realized not one of them had experiemced the kind of love l was trying to get past . They'd all loved their version and most had had dozens of relationships and thought they'd loved but reading 1000s of people there was only one, one , that really knew what l was talking about.

    Annway hang in there eh.

    rx

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  28. Lauz22
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    16 October 2020 in reply to Juliet_84
    Hi Juliet,
    Thank you for your support. I have not taken it harshly by any means.
    What you have written has described my relationship perfectly. It is a true reflection on toxic relationships and how they operate.
    Unfortunately it seems only those who have experienced such toxic and unhealthy relationships will have a true understanding of the effects that they cause you.
    Everything you have described, I relate to so much.
    Currently it feels near impossible to see a life without someone you once shared everything with. It’s hard to let go and accept maybe one day there will be someone more suited, or loves you just as much, if not more and in a different but healthy way.
    My mind is definitely glossing over the negatives and directing to the good times (the love bombing)
    He would write my poems, print photos of us and declared his undying love for me.
    I’m struggling to let go of that.
    Although I am realising he loved me most when I was young, as I was naive and fit perfectly into his box. As time went on, I grew out of that and wanted my own independence and growth in the relationship. He really struggled to adjust to the changes I wanted in the relationship or the changes to person I was becoming.
    My therapist said that I was the enabler. That we both set a pattern from the beginning of the relationship - one where it was based around his wants and needs - and that he fell in love with me for doing that but won’t necessarily love me when I make a change to the relationship pattern.
    I find this sad how someone can’t love you when you ask them for what you have given them for so many years.
    I feel he would rather divorce me than try and work out a way to have a healthy marriage with boundaries.
    Although for some people, changing their operating system may not be possible. I need to remind myself of this too.
    Am I crazy to be sad about losing a toxic relationship?
  29. Lauz22
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    18 October 2020 in reply to white knight
    Thank you so much Tony.
    I hope I am on the right track.
    It does seem overdue. It’s usually after such a devastating and painful event that we are put on a journey of growing, healing and finding ourselves. I am somewhat thankful that I have taken this as an opportunity to really grown and learn from mistakes. Hopefully it will better my future.


    Although everyone’s journey is different and it seems yours may of been painful, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.


    We have a lesson to learn from every chapter of our lives.


    I enjoy listening to podcasts and motivation speeches of healing so thank you for sharing!
  30. Lauz22
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    18 October 2020 in reply to randomx
    Hi rx,

    Thanks for sharing.

    I’m interested in what you have mentioned.
    You seemed to have love your ex deeply.
    And although you may have found a new partner and have come to a realisation that your past relationship was like mixing oil and water, do you still feel you and your ex will reconnect in the future? That there will be a possibility to revisit the relationship?

    I only ask as it seems your soul is still connected to your ex.
    Please correct me if I am wrong.

    I relate as I feel that my soul and my love is still connected to my ex even though the relationship was so toxic toward the end. Even though I understand we cannot be together at this point in time. I still have this hope that the future will bring us together.

    Will you ever let go of your past relationship?
    Do you hold onto hope one day your love will bring you back together in the future?

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