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Topic: Husband has depression and left home to get himself right

  1. MishnLinc
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    21 January 2018

    I don't know where to start with this all but 2 weeks ago my husband told me he needed a break from our marriage and originally moved into the spare room. It was so hard on me as we have a 2 year old and it was confusing for him why Dadda was sleeping in the spare room. He eventually told me that he as been suffering in a black fog for the past 3 months and that he doesn't know anything anymore, including us. He even told me he had dark thoughts while I was away but thankfully it scared him and he has since gone to the GP. He is on Anti depressants and booked into see a Pysch. In the meantime he is talking to a counsellor online I think. A little bit of background, my hubby was adopted and always held a hatred for his birth mother, he has had low self esteem and never feels good enough. We have been together 9 years and married for 6 years. His adoptive mother is interesting as well and never really handled things right with the adoption. Anyway, recently (October) she told my husband that she knows his birth name and has some documents from his adoption. This has sent him into a tale spin, I noticed him changing from there. He says he no longer knows who he is or what his life is.

    We recently sold a house and purchased Land to build. This has added to his stress....I told him that I would support him through this but he has decided that he needs to go and left, ironically to his mothers. I am heartbroken, I don't know what to do and how to support him. He sends me messages that he wants to build the house and that we are just taking a break while he sorts himself out. Then will say that he wants to build the house so I and my son have a roof over our head. I told him that I can't afford to live in it on my own. He came over on Saturday for 3 hours and when he left I was a mess. He was dark and moody but walked around the house like he still lived here, it was very weird. He says he doesn't know how he feels. I am confused as well, we ended up fighting and I feel he wants me to say its over. I have no idea if he will come back or not. I wanted to do this together but he has left.

    How do I deal with this? Do I disconnect and let him work it out, or try and support him?

  2. White Rose
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    22 January 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Dear MishnLinc

    Welcome to Beyond Blue. Yours is a sad story and unfortunately quite common. Let me explain.

    When someone is depressed they often feel worthless, and I imagine it may be more so if the person was not confident before. But I'm not an expert. They also start to distance themselves from others. Crowds, which may be 3-4 people, bother them. It is hard to cope with talking to people and sometimes they find it more difficult with family, spouse etc than relative strangers. With someone they don't know it's easier to put on a mask and pretend all is well with them and the world.

    May I suggest you read the information on depression and anxiety on BB. Look under the blue tab at the top of the page, The Facts, and choose from the drop down list. You can download any information you want or ask for it to be sent to you, no charge. Booklets are only available by post. It's a good idea to be as well informed as possible. There is a booklet for family and friends which has information about how family feel in this situation.

    I have noticed on BB that when men are depressed they are more likely to leave the family home "to get themselves together". They don't want to be a burden on the family or spouse, feel the family would be better off without them, need space from everyone to cope. I don't think it's a good situation as the person has too much opportunity to brood over their life, becomes inward looking without a balancing perspective and often stops caring for themselves. So please take heart that you and your husband are going on a well trodden path. Not good but predicable.

    May I ask if he is going to see a psychologist or psychiatrist? Does the online counsellor work with off line as well?

    Changing his mind about important decisions is also par for the course. This is not to make your life difficult but because his mind has him wrapped up in his depression and he has lost his perspective. So any decision can be changed at a moment's notice. I know it's confusing and distressing for you plus the additional care for your baby.

    May I suggest you leave all major decisions such as when you are going to build a home, and put them to one side. It is very difficult to make a reasonable decision when both your lives are turned upside down. He needs time to get back on track and you need time to process what is happening. Both of you need time to work on your future. I know I have not answered all your questions. Hoping you will talk more with us.

    Mary

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  3. MishnLinc
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    22 January 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Thank you White Rose...I am so heartbroken that he has left. I am trying my best with everything but something will set me off and I am a crying mess again. I worry for him and so wanted to do this together. I am so hurt that he left us. The one person who loved him the most.

    He is seeing a Pyschiatrist but the appt is not until the 9th Feb, he has asked to go on the waitlist for a cancellation. I think that he has been talking to the online ones that the GP gave him while he waits for his appointment. He blocks me out and just says he is having a bad day and nothing else. So he is cutting off communication with me.

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    23 January 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Hello MishnLinc

    Please do not tell yourself off for crying. It is a normal thing to do when we have been hurt although we find ourselves apologising if it happens in public. I've done it myself and then wondered why. It's because we are not supposed to show our grief in public. What rubbish.

    Quite often there is a long wait to see a specialist depending on the patient's need and the doctor's availability. It seems your husband is going to try to get well again which is good.

    Yes it does feel horrible when you love him and he seems to turn his back on you. It is because you care so much that he wants to be apart. It's not a bad thing that you love him and want to help him. It's because he feels he is letting down the people he loves most, you and your child. He does still love you, just cannot find that place at the moment.

    I think the only thing you can do at the moment is to wait. I know it's easy for me to say and it's you who are hurting. From what others have said it's more a matter of waiting until he can see past his depression and realise he is loved and wanted. Once he starts to see his psych regularly you will see him improve. Is he taking an antidepressant? Often these are tremendously helpful in getting him stable as it were.

    I want to suggest you go and see your GP and ask to see someone about coping, probably a psychologist. Being able to talk to someone who truly understands you is helpful and you will start to feel better. If money is a problem ask your GP what free services are available or look them up yourself. Relationships Australia can be very helpful and their charge are under $10 I understand. Also your local Anglicare branch. They do not charge at all but I'm not sure what is available in your areas. The Salvation Army is another good resource. Look on the net to see what you can find.

    How did you go with the BB information? Try to live as normally as possible. I know, I know, it's hard but keeping up with your usual routines can be reassuring and stops you brooding too much.

    Mary

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    23 January 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Hi. I have supported, cared for and loved a family member who has a mental health condition for the past six years. It is not an easy road and I am sorry that you have found yourself in such a difficult situation.

    Like you, I also had other responsibilities--mothering, managing our home, financial decision-making, etc. What I quickly realised is that, if I went down, "the whole ship went down". I encourage you to look after yourself during this challenging time and to start by finding appropriate professional support.

    In my case, I found a mental health nurse in private practice and her advice was cost-effective and invaluable--she gave me critical insights, which enabled me to better understand the behaviour I was dealing with and respond effectively. Importantly, she persuaded me to be kind to myself. Every day, no matter what was happening around me, I made time for self-care. I know It's hard with a young child and limited finances but when you can, take a bubble bath, read a book, call a friend, write in a journal, meditate, watch your favourite TV program--whatever pleases you. The dishes and laundry will wait. Switch off and look after you.

    And please, please, please remember that while people do unfortunately fall ill, they can also get better. There is always hope for a brighter tomorrow.

  6. MishnLinc
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    23 January 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Thank you Mary, he spoke last night and told me the online Counsellor has said that he is a very troubled man. He never got over his fathers death, the adoption or that there wasnt alot of love growing up, finding out his birthname was the thing that tipped him over the edge. He is on antidepressants and has been for a couple of weeks now I think, he said they make him tired but he is not sleeping.

    I am going to a counsellor myself tonight and seeing the GP Thursday. I know that I can't keep going on like this and I need to pick myself up. I go back to work next week, so I am looking forward to just getting some routine back in my life.

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  7. MishnLinc
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    23 January 2018 in reply to Summer Rose

    Thank you Summer Rose, I hope he can eventually get better for his sake, as I hate seeing him so hurt and lost.

    It is a tough road and I know might be a long one, I think that we just sold the house and about to build the new one, its creating a financial stress on me, as I feel that I will be building a house, I will never live in, as I can't do it on my own. Lucky I can rent my house, so I don't have the stress of moving on my own. Its just all these little things popping up, like my cousins wedding RSVP etc and I have to do it on my own for a while. I have a great support network and I have been humbled by the amount of people supporting me and inviting me places so that I don't sit around and think.

    Thank you, often people keep telling me to be strong and while I know under it all I am, at the moment, I am not. My boy keeps me going and gives me the best cuddles, he is my saving grace. Thank you, I don't feel alone, as people dont understand depression and when I tell them, they say....Him,,,no way..he doesn't look the type. Its sad really.

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  8. MishnLinc
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    24 January 2018 in reply to MishnLinc
    Today wasn't a good day for me and I actually spent most of it crying. I have been having horrible anxiety and decided to try St Johns Wort, I hope that I can get on top of this, my poor son doesn't need 2 people down. I think I am a person that looks to the future and needs a plan and at the moment I have to live day by day. One of my friends today said I need to live my life like he isn't coming back and if he does its a bonus. While I kinda agree, this is really hard especially when the house you sold settles in a couple of weeks and the house you were suppose to be building together starts too. I have to pick the colours on Tuesday, I feel that I am going to be building a house that I will never live in. My Hubby tells me to continue and that we will get there but he can't even look at me when he comes to visit our Son and it broke my heart yesterday as he came over and I had an appointment and when I got back, he left after 5 minutes. Then said to me that he hates seeing me so hurt. My son heard him say goodbye and went screaming down the hallway after him with his shoes in his hand. It truly broke me. I cant explain it.
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    24 January 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Hi again. You just hang in there. I believe we all have a "window", in which our emotions fluctuate every day, and we can handle the fluctuation and cope with life as long as the emotional variation is within our window. When we get pushed "out of our window", like you did today, it's really hard. But you will get through it. Perhaps you could download a mindfulness ap and give it a go. Or just do something pleasurable to give your mind a break.

    What I've taken from your post is that, your husband loves you, he feels he's let you down, he doesn't want to hurt you and he has hope for a future with you. Try to hang onto that and remember that your husband can't help it that he has depression--in exactly the same way that a person can't help it if they have cancer. If you can, try to put yourself in his shoes. Can you imagine how hard it is for your husband to look you in the eye knowing he is the cause of your pain, yet be powerless to stop it from happening?

    Your husband needs treatment and he is taking steps to get help. He also needs your love and support, which is ironic given your pain but it is true. I know it's not fair and I know it hurts but I encourage you to try to ride it out. One foot in front or the other, one day at a time.

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    25 January 2018 in reply to Summer Rose

    Hello Summer Rose

    Great posts from you. I also got a lot from your words so thank you. Not sure I can add more.

    Hello MishnLinc

    You may think nothing has changed but your husband is starting to work on himself. Your son still sees his dad and dad is going for therapy.

    When you see your GP please tell him/her you are taking that preparation. As I understand it there are some queries about it's effectiveness and I understand that when it is taken with an antidepressant there can be some odd things happen. So please check it out with your doctor first.

    Keep a journal of your journey. It's helpful to write down your thoughts and feelings. Similar way to writing on BB but probably with more detail. No need to show it to anyone but good to look back on in a few months to see how far both you and your husband moved on. One rule, once it has been written down it stays. No looking back saying life was not that bad and changing your words, when you are looking from a future which is getting better.

    Mary

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    25 January 2018 in reply to MishnLinc
    I don’t have advice unfortunately but your story has really hit home. 3.5 weeks ago my husband walked out because he is “unhappy”. Told me he loved me and just needed time to get his head right. 9 years together and 3 years married with an energetic 15 month old. It’s really hard!!! My husband hasn’t seeked help yet unfortunately, he’s still trying to work on it by himself. I cry heaps. Especially when I see him and he leaves. It leaves me in shattered pieces and I don’t know how long it will be for. I’m ready to support him and help begin the healing process but he’s just not ready yet. I feel like every day is just another battle but somehow we make it through. Hang tight love! We will get there xx
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  12. Redhuta
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    26 January 2018 in reply to MummaAK

    I feel so bad for both of you and totally understand your pain. I also had my husband leave in November and it was heartbreaking. I think my husband is still getting help and I am sure he is taken his medication. What I cannot recommend enough for you is to see a physiologist. Thankfully I have been seeing mine and he has helped me understand and also give me the clarity to make choices about my life and children.

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    Hello, I am sorry to hear about your heartbreak. Amongst all of this just remember that this is all a transition period in life and in time you will both heal. Just continue to have faith and hope, that either way you will both ok. He will be ok, and so will you. Be patient with the situation, try forget about the noise that may run through your head and be in the present moment. As the present is a present to yourself.

    I hope this helps :)

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  14. MishnLinc
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    28 January 2018 in reply to HopeforSmiles

    Thank you everyone for replying....Its very heart warming and sorry that there are so many of us going through these moments. Things took a turn for the worse and then came out again, my hubby was suppose to go camping with his best mate for the Australia Day weekend which I was happy with and I was going away to our van. Anyway, he was texting me and sending me mixed messages and I ended up calling him and asking if our Marriage was Over and he blew up at me and was swearing, I hung up on him and then he went missing, he didnt turn up to camping with is best mate and we all went into overdrive. He ended up going to a fishing spot and decided he needed to clear his head but didn't tell anyone. I tell you, that I thought I had lost him. I really did. I finally got hold of him and said are you okay and safe, he promised he was and that I needed to leave him be for the moment. His best mate called him and he told him, he wasn't going to hurt himself and needed time. He didnt want to talk to anyone!! So I was a little bit of a mess all weekend. He checked in about 2 pm the following day after sleeping for 12 hours.

    Anyway, he sent me a message today and I asked him to come home, I feel that staying with his mother will be toxic for him, as she is some of the problem with all of this. He said no he needs to do this on his own and man up. I said you can stay in the spare room....anyway, he is coming over tomorrow night to visit our son and also talk. He sounded almost calm on the phone but didnt want to talk to me over the phone. He said he will be back and that I need to let him do this. So for now I am leaving it. See what tomorrow brings, I know that tomorrow might be a different story with his mood but at least I felt a little break through tonight.

    Thanks for listening xx

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    29 January 2018 in reply to HopeforSmiles

    Dear HopeforSmiles and MummaAK

    A warm welcome to Beyond Blue to both of you. It's always good when someone posts here and gets help and support. I do hope you can stay. Perhaps you could start your own threads. You can of course continue posting here in support of MishnLink and that would be great. However if you would also like to talk about your own worries please start your own thread. That way you will receive posts from others just as you are supporting MishnLinc. You become 'visible' to others who write in here.

    Hello MishnLinc

    So distressing for both you and your son. I really feel for you, it's such a hard time. Please take heart your husband is getting help. I think this is not the case for the ladies posting above. Have you seen your GP. I think you had an appointment but not sure. Do you think you can tell the GP what is happening in your life? She/he may be able to help and send you to talk to a counsellor. This would be great as the counsellor can listen to you as you explain your difficulties. You can get ideas about coping which will help with your tiredness.

    I understand how difficult it is to carry on as though nothing is wrong and I think you should take notice of what your body is telling you. Slow down or stop doing those unnecessary jobs and do nice things for yourself and your son. I'm not sure you can live as though your husband has left for good as your friend suggests. He is still making time to visit you and your son and is beginning to realise how all this has impacted on you. I think it unlikely you can believe he has gone for good.

    Building a new home is stressful itself without the added stress of manage your present circumstances. I have built two homes. The house I live in now I built as part of my separation from my husband. If you can I suggest you try and pick the paint etc for your new home. It may seem a useless task if you are not going to be reunited, but if you are going to stay together then I guess this home will be a symbol for both of you making a new start.

    Mary

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    30 January 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Thank you White Rose (Mary),

    Well he came over to talk last night and I feel that it was a little bit of a breakthorough. I asked him to come home but he said he can't at the moment. He is still admanant to do this on his own, but he told me what he has been telling the counsellors and that he has booked into Anger Management as well. I told him that the longer he is away the harder it is for him to come back to us, he can't just slot back in, he will need to work on things with us all. Especially his son. He said he noticed a change in him over the month and noticed that he is missing out. He told me that he will be back and that I need to just give him time. He feels that he needs to do this but he is opening up to me a little bit.

    He is wanting to come with me on Wednesday for the Colour selections for the house, I have resolved myself now that whatever happens, I will live in it. Its still hard and I am still just getting by, I work in a very supportive environment and my boss has been amazing. My husband even text me last night going to bed and said that he misses me and that I looked fantastic and it hurt him to see me. I think he feels a little overwhelmed with everything at our place. I am glad that he is talking to the Counsellors though and like you said, making steps to make himself better. It was interesting though the depth of depression, he said to me I have to do this one thing right and I said, you have done so much right and are a good person, he said he can't see that and all he can see is his failures. I hope that all these appointments will eventually lead to him getting in the right direction. I told him that he didnt need to be fixed to be coming home, this is not a quick fix. He just needs to be heading in the right direction.

    Thanks for Listening MishnLinc

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    30 January 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Hello MishnLinc

    Lovely to know your husband is making an attempt to talk with you. It's the start of getting together again. I was surprised when you said he was getting some anger management. Has he been angry since you got together?

    I can see a little bit of what you are both thinking about him returning home. I think it's true the longer he stays away the harder it will be to return. I hope he is discussing this with his counsellor. I can also understand to some extent why he wants to get well by himself. To not feel he is incompetent or lacking in some way. I wonder though if he has thought how long this recovery will take. The initial crisis has passed and he has accepted he has an illness, but that's not the end of the story. It may take several years to feel he is really on top of it all. Once a long period of time has elapsed one or both of you may decide it's better to stay single.

    Good sign he is coming with you to pick colours. Taking part in joint activities and making joint decisions will help to keep you together and keep in contact. It was also a nice sign that he texted you last night

    So pleased you are being supported at work. Sadly some workplaces have a very different attitude. At least you do not have pretend all is well with you.

    I can understand being overwhelmed. This was and still is to some extent a problem I have when major problems hit me. I just want to run away. Not much use though as I would be taking my problems with me.

    Depression can dig into our lives and cause all sorts of havoc. Did I suggest you read some of the information on BB about depression? There is information about depression in general but there is also information for family and friends which gives some help understanding it from the person's point of view. I think you would find it helpful. By the way, does he still work with the online counsellor?

    I said, you have done so much right and are a good person, he said he can't see that and all he can see is his failures. This is such a common feeling in depression, believing you are an OK person. Being OK is an ambition, anything more seems out of reach no matter how good the person has been. I do understand that as it has taken me many years to believe I have some good points. Depression truly is the black dog.

    I think you are feeling a little better and it's great.

    Mary

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  18. MishnLinc
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    30 January 2018 in reply to White Rose
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    Hello MishnLinc

    Lovely to know your husband is making an attempt to talk with you. It's the start of getting together again. I was surprised when you said he was getting some anger management. Has he been angry since you got together?

    Depression can dig into our lives and cause all sorts of havoc. Did I suggest you read some of the information on BB about depression? There is information about depression in general but there is also information for family and friends which gives some help understanding it from the person's point of view. I think you would find it helpful. By the way, does he still work with the online counsellor?

    I think you are feeling a little better and it's great.

    Mary

    Yes over the years he has signs of anger, more yelling but never to the point where I felt in danger, I had noticed a change in him before xmas and he was losing his cool alot, especially at work and yes he is still working. He yelled at our son who is 2 and really scared him. He said he has dark thoughts and he is full of so much anger. He wants to get control of it. I will continue to leave the lines of communication open. He promises me that he will be back, I hope it is soon and he realises what he is missing.

    I have told him that there is a time limit on this, I am not going to tell him or put pressure on him but I am not going to continue to put my life on hold forever, eventually there will be a time and day that I stop asking you to come home.

    He is still talking to the online counsellors and from what he has told me, calling them every few days and has an appointment with the Pyschiatrist on the 9th Feb.

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    1 February 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Hello MishnLinc

    You continue to be strong and I admire that. I have thought this is a characteristic of yours since you first posted. It doesn't of course mean that you do not feel hurt and sad, but you are keeping a mostly objective outlook.

    Great your husband has an appointment with a psychiatrist soon. And also the online support. I find I need several sources of support. Of course it would be easy to cherry pick the advice and comments but I find I get different view points of the same topic and this combined support helps me to understand what is happening when one voice does not always register.

    Has he ever thought about the source of his anger? Of course we all get annoyed from time to time but this irritation does not last for long. It may be part of the reason he wants to demonstrate his ability to get well on his own, or at least without your help. Perhaps he has felt in the past, including childhood, no one has shown they believe he can manage. This is his big chance.

    No idea if any of this is valid but perhaps you can think about it for him. Generally I think we need each other to support us through life and where we have a spouse it seems the logical person. With our MH we can get very defensive about ourselves. In the professional field I have a psychiatrist, GP and counsellor in my corner. I am also blessed to have friends who will rally round at those times when I hit the dark spots. I really believe it's incredibly difficult to manage our MH alone.

    The strain of trying to contain our less acceptable emotions can shoot us off in all sorts of directions. It sounds like he is finding this accumulation of anger and possibly other emotions is no longer easily contained. Years of hard work to remain in control seems like a lost cause. In realty he cam manage these emotions if he gets to know why he feels this way and can release his anger in safety. Maybe this is also a factor in his decision to stay away.

    Mary

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  20. MishnLinc
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    2 February 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Yesterday, I hit rock bottom, I was a complete mess at work, lucky we have a wellbeing department and I was able to go down there and talk to a psychologist. I think it was picking the House colours that finally tipped me over the edge and that with no contact from my hubby was the thing that tipped me over the edge.

    Anyway, she was great and told me a few things and that I need to take care of myself, which is what I haven't been doing? Not very well anyway, especially when you have a 2 yo. Anyway, I was not functioning very well but I stayed there and did my best. When I got home my husband was there as he had picked up my son from childcare and had mowed the lawns and cleaned up a bit. He took one look at me and took me into the room and asked if I was okay. I said that I wasn't and today felt like the end. He again said to me that he will be back, that is why he wants to go out on Sunday as a family, apparently one of the counsellors has told him he needs to ease his way back in. I asked him point blank...why won't you come home? he said it is not me but he needs to deal with a few things first....I think the anger is the big one. He also said, he cares for me too much and would tell me if he didn't love me anymore or if he had fallen out of love with me. He was very calm and is the best I have seen him in awhile. I said its hard when I see that you look like you are okay with this and he said..I am not I called the counsellor at 2am this morning as I was not coping again.

    So today I took the advise of the Psychologist I seen and bought a book, I was reading it while my son slept and thought..what happened to me, where did I go. She said I needed to find that woman again the one before I got married. So, while I will still offer hubby support, I think I am going to go find me again. What makes me happy? What makes me tick? I hope that our marriage survives this, he seems to think it will. I hope that I have his faith.

    Thank you Mary, its funny talking to people and they say, well he is always grumpy and I have to agree, he was. I think he has always had this view on life that he was missed or something, so if he feels he is left out, not consulted he gets angry. He is a strong personality. I better go - thank you once again :)

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    2 February 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Dear MishnLinc

    So sorry you had such a bad day yesterday. Amazing you had someone on site to talk to and you have accepted what she has said. I must admit I thought you were taking care of yourself hence my post above. Whoops! Never mind, you had validation for your feelings from the psychologist and that was timely.

    Caring for young children is huge task no matter how much you love them. So much energy, makes me tired to watch.

    Nice your husband had completed some chores for you. Sounds like he is getting ready to come home. Make sure you are ready also when he wants to return.

    May I ask what book the psychologist recommended? I think many mothers feel they have lost sight of themselves when bringing up children. It is important to do some of the activities that once you enjoyed. It also means your children see you as a separate person to themselves. Maybe not at two but later and that is the start of their independence. It's where we can show mutual respect for each other and in mom's case, that she is not there to wait on everyone.

    This is a short post as I have to go out. I'm glad you were able to have that talk to the psych.

    Mary

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  22. MishnLinc
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    I feel like so much has happened but not alot if that makes sense.

    My anxiety has ramped up a bit and I have been trying to control it but at times I feel that it is getting out of control but started mindfulness. My husband is still all over the place and I think I kinda knew that he would go backwards a little bit after finally getting in to see the pyschiatrist. They have also changed his medication, so I am assuming it will take a bit to get that settled. On Saturday he wanted to take our son to the Zoo for a couple of hours, so that I could go shopping for a dress for a wedding, anyway, he was gone from 9.30am to 4.30pm and he wondered why I lost my mind at him. We were supposed to go on a Date that evening but he was not in a good space or me for that matter after it all but then he went out on his own to a bar to have a drink. I was like are you for real....so on Sunday we had a big talk and I asked him if he wanted us to end, as he is being a jerk to me. He said that he doesn't and went for a drive but ended up at beach and seen the festival on and stayed. He said that he is all over the place and doesn't know what he is thinking. I asked if he thought there was a hope for us after all of this and he said in his heart yes but his head is messed up and he can't think. He asked me to hold on a little longer but knows that I can't wait forever. I know that I can't take much more of this and wish he would just come home so that we could work this out together, its been a month now.

    I sent him a message today asking a question and he told me he is having a bad day, he said he thinks its the change in medication messing with his head, I said for him to be kind to himself. I am starting to lose hope in all of this, its so hard.

    The pyschiatrist wanted him to ask his mum questions, so that he could get some answers but she changes the subject or doesn't answer him, I just wish she would so that he can move forward. Arrrgghhhhh.....it makes me angry. Help him for goodness sake.

    Anyway, I think I just need to help myself so that I can be a good mother to my son.

  23. MishnLinc
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    6 March 2018

    Okay so a little update from me and my situation. My hubby is still not home and has had another breakdown. This time shutting me out completely from his life. I have not heard from him for about a week. I am so heartbroken I can't even tell you the words. I thought that he was making headways but last week, he had a panic attack visiting me and then told me not to give up on him and I have hardly heard from him since.

    I am beginning to think this is it for us, especially as he is not returning my messages or bothering to call me at all. He is in a very dark and scary place. Its hard when the house we were suppose to be building is starting shortly and I am trying to keep my head above water. Its making me question everything including why is he treating me like this, the one person that loves him so much.

    I guess there is nothing much I can say and I am so lost for words. I am so lost on everything. I am just trying to keep putting 1 foot in front of the other.

    Thank you for listening MishnLinc

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    6 March 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Lovely to hear from you again although sad that the news is not so good. Depression can be such a tricky beast, up one minute and down the next. We can rarely predict when these things will happen and need to make contingency plans to deal with the hurt times and the down times. Even so it can be difficult to manage as we forget the plans to deal with our thoughts. We have this default option that sends us in a panic to an action we learned long ago to manage our lives. It may have worked then but is not useful now, but we are such creatures of habit we keep doing the same thing.

    I think the phrase is, Keep repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome. Oh yes, we know that one. Your husband appears to be doing this from what you say. Therapy for severe depression takes time and needs constant and consistent practice by the patient. Your husband is learning a whole about himself, even if he does not realise it and sometimes that knowledge is hard to accept. The instinct is to run away and deny the whole thing and can lead, as in your husbands situation, to a breakdown.

    He bounces back a little and starts again, which in itself is fantastic, and gets to the spot he was at before and then falls over again. Clearly I am not a medical expert but I know from my own experience how easy it is to walk the default path, and even if we remember to use the alternative, we still go on with what we know and still expect a different outcome.

    I am reluctant to offer suggestions as these may run counter to his psychiatrist treatment. I am interested in the psych requests for information from your mother-in-law. Do you know what the psych wants? I wonder if you can ask his mother and perhaps explain why the psych wants the information. This may be a good idea or the worst option ever. You know the situation best.

    Have you thought of getting some counselling for yourself? You have so much grief in your life that talking about it may help. At the very least you can explore your wants and options. A good counsellor can help you make sense of the contradictory events.

    I think there probably is little you can say to your husband at the moment and I appreciate how hard and hurtful this is. I think we hurt the person who cares most about us because it is safe to do so. Anyone else may well tell him to go away. Yes it is unfair but so often the case. Chat to a counsellor or your GP and see how you go.

    Mary

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    8 March 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Hi Mary,

    I have since seen my Psychologist and he has said that I need to put boundaries in place, I explained that I hadn't heard from him for most of the week. He said to obviously not bombard him but that I need to explain my needs and how I felt as well. So when he came and got our son from Childcare and left him with my mum again not seeing me, I asked if I was the one he was trying to avoid, he said it wasn't me and to not take it personally and that it was all getting too much for him again. I said that this past week has been the worst in history for me and that I struggled and missed him immensley, all he said was that he was sorry and that I could call him whenever I want. I said that he can always call me too. He said that he went camping again at the weekend on his own and that he wanted to escape the world. And he wanted to know why I didn't hate him for F*king up our dreams, I said that I still held out hope that he would come back to me and he said he did too. I was worried that he was saying things to please me but he isn't. When I tell him I miss him, he says I know. I still care for him so much and hate that he can't see a way forward yet. Its been 2 months, I was hoping that by now the medication would start kicking in a little but that hasn't happened yet. He seems to have anxiety more now. Anyway my Pysch said that people tend to do what he is doing? and from what you have written Mary, I can see that he is going to his default mechanism. I know that I say it but I need to look after myself, it is my birthday on Monday and I know that I will not see him or that he will not worry about it. He told me that he thinks of me often a couple of days ago, I said that I didn't know and he said I told you last time and I said but I haven't heard from you in over a week, doubt and insecurities come in. He said he would try.

    I think the pysch wants to get some information from his childhood, which is the reason for the breakdown, he needs to get some questions answered from her as she sees it differently, he has a very different take on his childhood. Even his sister has a different take, it is bizarre.

    I don't know how long this is going to take, when I asked him what do I tell people this weekend when you are not with me again, he said tell them I couldn't get off work. I asked him if he had told people we have separated and he still hasn't. Not even work.

    At the moment, I can just take each moment at a time and hopefully know my limit.

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    8 March 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Hello MishnLinc

    I can see how much you are struggling to keep your head above water. It's a very difficult time for you without the consolation of knowing when your husband will return. You have someone to talk to who can help you understand what is happening. In fact in many ways your psych is the best person to talk to as your husband I gather is still unsure of what is happening and how he will get well again. Has he continued to see his psychiatrist?

    I think I have told you I see a psychiatrist regularly to help me deal with some very stressful situations for the past 18 months. I am finding at the moment we are talking about some situations that make me a bit nervous. And all I want is to run away, deny everything, be given the solution and in general get her to use her magic wand. Apparently the batteries are flat. 😊

    I am not a patient person and I want to have moved forward faster and further than I have actually achieved. Well it's not exactly a crime merely a frustration but the downside is the tendency to blames myself for not working harder and causing a mini collapse. I am learning, albeit slowly, to manage the day to day frustrations and hurts. I know I am getting better at this because disastrous situations used overwhelm me for days. I am managing better now and I can get my breath back usually in a few hours. It has taken a long time to do this and very patient therapists.

    We all advance at a different rate. If I had a partner would I get well more quickly or would he hinder the process? No idea and the reality is I live alone and need to accommodate this when I move forward. I can understand your husband a little. Don't you hate it when someone says, "I know how you feel?" I can sympathise with his struggles and see how hard it is. And I am quite certain you can see this as well.I also have some understanding of the sadness that partners and carers endure watching someone they love struggle with such a huge burden.

    I suggest this as you cannot move ahead as quickly as you want. Your husband's depression will take a little time before he can persuade himself he will be better off living with you. I think this is a topic you could gainfully talk about with your psychologist. Recovery is a slow process for both.It seems to me you can only tell him you love him, offer support and wait. Just listening to his story is the most generous and loving ways to show you care, especially when it is done without creating an atmosphere of urgency.

    Mary

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    13 March 2018 in reply to White Rose

    Thank you White Rose (Mary), It is so hard when you don't really understand what is happening in the other persons head. It was a really difficult weekend for me and my birthday, being a long weekend and I went away with my little boy. People know now that we have separated. They are all shocked as people thought we were the perfect couple and honestly I thought we were too,of course we had our ups and downs. Its so incredibly difficult to comprehend for me. He text me a couple of times over the weekend and told me Sunday he was having a bad day. On my birthday he rang me to wish me a happy birthday and dropped passed the house and left a fish he caught at the weekend. I really had hoped that I would see him but I didn't. I didn't even get a card. Its so hard for me to realise that he just doesn't think of me like that at the moment. He went away with a mate and you could see he was struggling. I feel like saying do you think its because you were not with us. But he can't see that yet!

    I get so upset when I see our son follow other family members around, he misses his dad so much and when I mention Daddy, he just goes quiet and doesn't say a word, when normally he talks non stop. I know that he is only 2 and a bit but he knows something is different and is now anxious when I leave him. I know that I have incredible support from my family and friends and they want to support Peter as well but he isn't responding to them when they send him messages.

    I am glad that your sessions are working Mary, even if they are slower than you would like. I am a planner and this has really thrown my whole life into a tail spin. I have to keep remembering to just be and not look too far, that is what causes me anxiety. I actually feel that I need to take a step back for my own sense of worth. Yesterday really hurt me!

    He is suppose to come and mind our son Saturday while I am at a family wedding, the family keep asking if he is going and I tell them that it would be too overwhelming for him and to be honest, a bit weird for me as I haven't really seen him much in the last 2 weeks. He promises me that I will see him tonight but I am not holding my breath. He is still seeing the Pysch and also the Anger Management. I personally don't believe that his medication is right but its not up to me.

    Thank you for listening again, Mary.... Best of luck with your recovery

  28. Redhuta
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    13 March 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Awww Misch I really feel for you.

    My advice is to look after yourself and even if you find 30 mins a day where you don’t think about your problems it gives you that mental break. Your read my story and and I think we have a lot in common.

    My husband just left as he came over to help me connect up the foxtel. I offered him dinner and he accepted which is the first time in 4 months. In the first few months it seemed like he could not get away from me fast enough.So we are progressing in baby steps....... Things may get better in time and I am hoping this is for both of us.

  29. MishnLinc
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    15 March 2018 in reply to Redhuta

    Yes there are very similar connections in our story. He seems so overwhelmed with everything. He did come over on Tuesday, even if it was for only 15 mins and gave me a kiss and cuddle. As he was getting in the car he said, I do love you, which is the first time he has said it since he left, so I was shocked but didn't want to make a big deal of it.

    I am happy that your hubby Redhuta stayed for dinner, I hold out hope? How do you stay calm without the anger, I myself can feel it building and just want to yell at him and ask...WTF!!!! then I see sense and obviously don't but its horrible. I am doing everything to keep it together and he is just looking after himself. I am juggling all these balls in the air.

    His mum rang me yesterday which is probably only the 2nd time since he left and made me feel like crap. Basically saying we are not getting back together and that she still wants to be in her grandsons life. I was taken aback and she said I don't even know why he left you. I could feel the rage boiling in me and I said, its not about me, its about you and his childhood and then he snapped at me and said I don't know why, I gave him the best childhood. I was gobsmacked. I thought you are delusional lady and now I know why your son is so screwed up. Thanks..... I was angry and I know that I shouldn't but I sent him a text that night and asked if the plan was still in play for him to come back and he said yes, why...and I said....well tell your bloody mother..... why he is living with her is beyond me!!!

    Thanks for listening xo take care xo

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    17 March 2018 in reply to MishnLinc

    Hello MishnLinc

    Sorry not to reply earlier. I have been away for a few days at the beginning of the week and returned to a series of doctor's visits for the remaining two days. Sigh.

    I have written a fair bit today and suddenly realised how tired I have become. Please accept my apologies and I will write more tomorrow. It may not seem like it but you are managing your life. Keep faith in yourself.

    Talk more later.

    Mary

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